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Interessant! Bij de 968 had Porsche initieel de intentie een 3-liter V6 te gebruiken, maar uiteindelijk zijn ze verder gegaan met de 3-liter 4-in-lijn (met toevoeging van Variocam). Dus mogelijk is dit de V6 die ze voor ogen hadden!
De Jaguar X-Type V6 3.0 heeft een V6 motor die in beginsel door Porsche ontworpen is!
Blijkbaar waren ze in Weissach bezig met een achterwiel aangedreven lichtgewicht V6 voorin concept.
Toen die plannen in de ijskast gingen hebben ze het ontwerp aan Ford verkocht (toenmalig eigenaar van jaguar)Originele tekst:
The AJ-V6 that would be used in the X400 (X-Type) was a development of the same unit in the X200. If the origins of the architectures were complicated, the engine itself made their lineage seem positively straightforward. The AJ-V6 was based on Ford’s Duratec 25 and 30 V6 engines, usually used in transverse applications. The origins of the engine however were outside of the Ford family. In the early Nineties, Porsche were developing a lightweight 60° all aluminium alloy V6, but as Porsche struggled in the pre-Boxster era and plans for front engine, rear drive designs were shelved (and would be until the 2009 Panamera saloon), the engineering was sold to Ford and Cosworth. How much of this design still exists today is debateable, but it would seem to be here that the Duratec V6’s story began.
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bron: http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/jaguar/x-type-jaguar/the-cars-jaguar-x-type/%5B/size%5DPorsche won eerst de parijs- dakar rally met de 953.
Deze werd gebruikt om de 4×4 aandrijving te “testen” en verder te ontwikkelen. De 4×4 van de 964 is hier de rechtstreekse afstammeling van. De 964 C4 is dan ook de enigste productie porsche met manueel sper.
Vreemd, maar de 953 is zo een vergeten model bij velen…
Porsche for Dummies – Part 4
At Porsche in Zuffenhausen, everybody knows that the Jorg Muffler isn’t something Grandmother wears around her neck. You’d like to know a thing or two about Porsche?
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Redstart[/b]. “’Phoenicurus ochruros’ is actually a Black Redstart from the family of flycatchers. Their diet consists mainly of insects. The song of the black redstart is characteristic, since the middle part is more like a scratching sound…“ – is Wikipedia really describing a bird here? It could also be the 550 Spyder RS 1500 model with its redpainted rear fenders, the last Porsche Spyder with a swing axle. It too killed insects on the racetracks of the world, and it’s best not to even mention scratching noises.
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SSmuggling Compartment[/b]. If you want to hear (good) stories, ask a customs officer sometime. Even hard-bitten officers don’t know all the secret places where smugglers hide their goods. It was never planned for Porsche to make a contribution to this doubtful trade: The space in the trunk floor of the 911 for the optional heater, for example, is ideal for making one or the other cigarette disappear. And so it got the nickname “smuggling compartment“. In the meantime, there are even more options – such as the spare wheel compartment in the SUV. But don’t get your hopes up: Customs knows these hiding places too…
Safety Finger. Normally, a Porsche 928 automatic driver doesn’t want anybody fingering around in his Porsche, and certainly not especially dexterously long fingers. But there is one finger he’ll tolerate, for it comes from Zuffenhausen, was supplied as standard and is there to save the day: It’s a small locking piston at the automatic selector lever to prevent the position R or P from being selected when driving forward, thus keeping the gear ensemble from becoming finger food.
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Sebring Exhaust[/b]. No wonder that the exhaust manufacturer Sebring from Voitsberg/Austria named its sports facilities after the course in Florida – it sounds like history, power, exoticism. In 1963, the first optional exhaust leaves the Sebring plant, and is screwed to the bottom of a Steyr Fiat 1100. It set a trend, Sebring expanded and in the 50s and 60s of the last century, it supplied special mufflers for the four-cylinder models of Porsche as well. What’s so special? The Sebring exhaust condenses the exhaust gases from a quad fan in a tailpipe with a powerfully protruding profile.[b]T
Taxi[/b]. If you order a taxi at Porsche in Zuffenhausen, this doesn’t necessarily mean you’re looking for the minimum four-door passenger transport vehicle that, for a fee, brings passengers from point A to B at a modest pace as relaxed as possible. A “taxi“ at Porsche is instead the exact opposite: A car with two doors or less, which brings one passenger (who may or may not be paying) from point A to A at a breakneck speed with as much adrenaline as possible, i.e. in a circle. This is because the term “taxi“ refers to a race car in which a second seat is installed, so that in the future, it can take racing fans who aren’t allowed to take the wheel themselves for a ride down the track. For example, the decommissioned 917 in bright red livery, which is used for visitor rides on the test track at Weissach.
Telephone Booth. Granted, not all that Porsche builds and built is a perfectly shaped piece of design. But this was also because some cars are pure research vehicles, prototypes or external orders where certain techniques or the like are tried out. This also includes the EA266 prototype, a compact car for VW from the year 1968. Due to its large glass surfaces, it quickly acquired the nickname “phone booth“. In fact, it was initially planned with an underfloor engine as the successor of the VW Beetle. Nobody resents Porsche because instead of the EA266, it became the Golf. Or do they?
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VoPo[/b]. Originally a “Vopo“ was a “people’s police-man“ (Volkspolizist) in the walled-off German brother country. He was about as popular there as a fan-shop of the Federal Ministry of Finance in the West. Is it possible that this ulterior motive played a part when the VW Porsche 914 (built 1969-1975) also was called VoPo? Or was it just an abbreviation for “People’s Porsche“ (Volksporsche), because there was suddenly a low-cost option to drive a Porsche? The fact is: 911 riders distinctly turned up their noses at the sight of the Wolfsburg/Zuffenhausen co-production. Nevertheless, the model powered by an air-cooled boxer engine was built nearly 120,000 times from 1969 to 1976, most of the four-cylinder 914/4s (80 hp) at Karmann, all of the six-cylinder models 914/6 (110 hp) at Porsche. It was the first mass-produced mid-engine vehicle.
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Weissach Axle[/b]. Things could’ve been so easy once upon a time: The rear suspensions with toe-in correction of the Porsche 928 were of course developed in the Plasticine Kitchen (see >P) – obviously, they received the name Weissach axle. Really? No, not really – the word comes from the functional designation “Winkel einstellende selbst stabilisierende Ausgleichs-Charakteristik“ (toe-setting self-stabilizing compensation characteristics). At least somebody was paying attention…
»Windhund« or Greyhound. It’s Maundy Thursday, April 6th, 1950. For the first time, a Porsche 356 rolls out of the plant in Stuttgart. Its salient features include the split windscreen and the fixed glazed rear window. No Porsche logo is on it – it wasn’t designed until 1952/53. On the front and rear, therefore, there was the “Porsche“ lettering. The interior was dominated by a white three-spoke steering wheel made of bakelite. What has all this to do with the nickname “Greyhound“ for the first Stuttgart Porsche? No idea. Some things are better left a mystery…
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»Zigeuner-Verdeck« [/b]or the Gypsy Top. Even if it might have been a better idea at the end of the Second World War to respectfully refer to all ethnic groups, some terms just couldn’t be banned from linguistic usage. This included the term for the “wandering people“: Gypsy. They usually had no roof over their head – thus the term “Gypsy top“ for the Spartan emergency cover with which the Porsche 356/Type 1 (1948) and later the Speedster were equipped. It is doubtful whether the 356 drivers of the time also referred to the weather protection of their more or less treasured Porsches in the same way…
Porsche for Dummies – Part 3
At Porsche in Zuffenhausen, everybody knows that the Jorg Muffler isn’t something Grandmother wears around her neck. You’d like to know a thing or two about Porsche?
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Kangaroo[/b]. Calling someone a “kangaroo“ is probably not a compliment. The critters are pretty stupid, all they can do is jump around and box. So there must have been something to it when the drivers of the Porsche 906-8 Bergspyder compared their working tool to the stubborn Australian marsupial. The reason: The chassis and the tires were taken over completely unchanged from the standard 904 Carrera GTS street coupe in 1965. Due to the light weight and the unadapted suspension, the 906 Bergspyder was very difficult to drive – it had troubled road handling and the tendency to hop. From the coupe, the developers took over the steel-box frame and set a light open plastic body on top. 570 kilos and 260 hp were easily heaved up the incline. Five were built, though only three were left in pieces.
Ketchup Effect. Sounds familiar? You’re all ready to douse your fresh French fries with the right amount of ketchup from a brand-new bottle and out comes – nothing. Or suddenly much too much. At any rate not the amount you were looking for. Something like this happened at Porsche, too, which is why this technical inadequacy (at that time, in 1974, however, it was state of the art)
was incorporated in fast-food lingo: The “ketchup effect“ describes the delayed throttle response in older turbo engines – at first, nothing happens and then, boom. The phenomenon is also known as “turbo lag“ and occurs when the full boost pressure isn’t available yet right after the accelerator command. Especially the first 911 Turbo had problems with this, making it extremely tricky on wet roads in particular.[b]L
Luna[/b]. In 1987, long haul specialist Gerhard Plattner set out on another mission: Driving a standard Porsche 944 S, he aimed to travel the distance from the Earth to the moon within one year: 384,405 km. In addition to the day-to-day practicality of the 944 S, the primary goal was to document the capacity of the catalyst under extreme conditions. The starting point for Plattner’s journey could not have been more aptly chosen: the Cape Canaveral Space Center. Unlike some rockets, though, Plattner came back.
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Mary Stuart Collar[/b]. Mary Stuart had an eventful life. At least until the execution. And above all, she wore a collar that was beyond reproach: stiff, wide, and very high in the back. Just the right template for the racing department of Porsche, which entered the 1,000-kilometer race at the Nürburgring in 1973 with a true monster of a racing car. The spoiler of the 911 Carrera RSR of Martini Racing ran around the entire rear and deep into the rear fender. And no one has dared
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Number 1[/b]. What is there to say? The number 1 is always the beginning, the idea come true, the realized imagination. The first 356 from 1948 is of course an icon that can be found in museums. The aerodynamic roadster has two seats, a reinforced Beetle engine with 35 hp and a top speed of 84 mph. Talking about it, Porsche once made the famous remarks: “In the beginning I looked around and could not quite find the car I dreamed of. So I decided to build it myself.“
Nostrils. The engineers must have been suffering from powerful boredom for them to think of nostrils when looking at the front of the Porsche 924 Turbo with its four air holes. Apart from the fact that individuals usually have two nostrils. But the older Porschists will immediately know what you mean.
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Ox Horn[/b]. No, this is not a term for a Porsche employee who makes a reparable mistake, but the term used by mechanics for a component in the Porsche 956 that connects the engine and trans- mission. It looks like the horns of a bull. There is not enough room here for the names that employees who mess up are called.
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Plasticine Kitchen[/b]. The “plasticine kitchen“ is an older term for nothing less than the highly honorable Porsche Development Center in Weissach. Since 1971, Porsche has invented sports cars here that are now sold in more than 125 markets. The test track in the municipality of Weissach in the district of Böblingen has been in operation since 1962. Currently, more than 6,000 employees work at the development center, employed by Porsche (4,500) and partners (1,500) in development, motorsports, procurement and supporting areas. In July 2014, Porsche commissioned the largest investment project in the history of the development center with a new design studio, aero-acoustic wind tunnel and electronics integration center.
Porschists. There are Ferraristi, “the Daimler guys“ and, of course Porschists. They are Porsche employees, and they call themselves that. There are about 20,000 worldwide, which makes Porsche practically a family business compared to other car manufacturers.
Policemen. Ah, yes, the dear old police. When his pride and joy is stolen, a Porsche driver wants nothing more than a real-life patrolman, but when he wants to let her rip, it’s the last thing he wants to see. But that’s not what makes the police officer one of Porsche’s defined terms – no, the police meant here sit almost unnoticed in the Porsche transmission and act as blocking pieces to prevent mis-shifts or double shifts. And they are most welcome there.
Porsche for Dummies – Part 2
At Porsche the Jorg Muffler isn’t something Grandmother wears around her neck: The Porsche glossary for insiders – Part 2.
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“Entenbürzel“[/b] or the Ducktail. The advertising slogan for the Porsche Carrera 2.7 RS of 1972/73 was already an insult: “Only 500 men are going to drive it…“ To put it differently: In Zuffenhausen, they prayed that indeed 500 pieces of this lightweight version of the 911, which was rather expensive at the time, would be sold. They had to produce it, though, in order to meet homologation rules. But the car was actually too hot for the street: To make sure it didn’t lift off, Porsche equipped the 2.7 RS with aerodynamic devices at the front and rear. It was the first time Porsche did so. The “Entenbürzel“ – a short ducktail rear spoiler – was mainly in charge of the power take-off. Customers were crazy for this erect poultry’s behind – Porsche eventually sold 1,525 units. And offered an excuse to the angered first 500 customers: “Sorry, we forgot about the ladies…“
E.T. He was the movie star of 1982, the stuffed animal of an entire generation and to this day, probably the only bicycle-flying “extra-terrestrial“ in the universe: E.T. With the movie of the same name and its protagonist, Steven Spielberg created the prototype of a cuddly alien, a crooked creature with long and meager fingers. One of his fingers comes with an embedded flashlight, which he points towards outer space in a tear-jerking scene while muttering the words “phone home“ to understanding kids. That was a long time ago, so it might be unclear why this was the reason for a Porsche part to be called “E.T“ – yet there’s an explanation: Just like E.T.’s finger, the raised, snorkel-like third brake lamp looms out of the rear of the Porsche 911 starting in the year of manufacture 1986 in order to lift the additional brake light above the rear spoiler. Phoning home never really worked with it, though.
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Ferdinand[/b]. Ok, it’s not unusual to call a Porsche “Ferdinand“. That was the name of the founder and his son, too (to make the distinction easier, however, the latter was mostly called “Ferry“), as well as the son of the son (with the byname Alexander, nicknamed »Butzi«). Ferdinand’s granduncle and Ferdinand’s grandson and Ferdinand’s nephew were called Ferdinand. The latter, however, (again) had an -Alexander that followed. With so many Ferdinands around, it’s no surprise that a car of one of these Ferdinands went by the same name – the black coupe Ferdinand. It was the birthday present for Ferdinand Porsche when he turned 75. After the death of his owner, it became one of the first test cars from Zuffenhausen. The Ferdinand made from sheet metal was born in 1950 and was never sold. Instead, it solidly ran for more than 300,000 kilometers on behalf of the company and is now enjoying retirement at the Porsche Museum.
Fuchs Rims. The Fuchs company based in Meinerzhagen probably had no idea that they were actually winning the jackpot when they received the commission from Porsche in the mid-1960s to produce forged alloy rims, at first only for the sportiest model, the Porsche 911 S. The now legendary clover leaf design was penned by Porsche designer Heinrich Klie, who later also gave the 914 its unique shape: five wide spokes, which were initially blank and a black rim star background. Later, the entire rim star was black. With a size of 15 inches, they adorned the 911 S as of 1966 and later also the 916/6 and the 944. They were part of the program until 1989. In 1992, the protection of the registered design expired, and we now have many rims similar to the ones by Fuchs. But only this one is the real one.
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Grandmother.[/b] Grandmothers who are referred to as “grandmother“ are said to be kindhearted, wise and experienced. Okay, hardly any Porsche car has ever been kind-hearted, wise only if the driver was, but experienced, that’s certainly something a Porsche could handle. One model in particular: the Porsche 718 W-RS Spyder. And indeed, for a race car, the lifetime of the open 2-liter, 8-cylinder Porsche was practically biblical, racing from 1961 to 1964. In 1963, it won its class at the Targa Florio in Sicily. The Grandmother won the European Mountain Championship twice. Granted, with an age of 4 years, Porsche’s Grandmother is certainly the youngest grandma of all times – but in car years…
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Hutch[/b]. Nobody really handed down whether rabbits were ever transported in the lockable compartments of the 911. The fact is: If you did without the backseats, the special requests department in Zuffenhausen gave you a luggage rack with two lockable compartments instead. These were referred to as the “Hasenstall“ (rabbit hutch) from then on. But it might also be that the inventor was simply named “Hase“…
Hippie. 1970 – right after Woodstock and things were still dope, bright colors, rebellion against the establishment, euphoria vs. theory, chill instead of kill. Porsche showed momentary solidarity – with the “Hippie“, a long-tail Porsche 917 with a pop paint job, which stirred up the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1971. Willi Kauhsen and Gerard Larousse were grooving behind the wheel and came in second. By the way, Porsche designers Anatole Lapine and Dick Söderberg were inspired to this highly original design by the dress of a secretary. The psychedelic pattern of her attire obviously left a wicked impression.
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Indy Engine[/b]. In 1980, an Interscope singleseater with a Porsche engine was created for the Indianapolis 500. The V6 turbo engine with watercooled four-valve heads was taken from the legendary 935/78 Moby Dick and was the only 911 engine that reached a rated speed of 9,000 rpm. In terms of output, too, the Indy engine was superlative: 904 hp. After the Indy project was prematurely discontinued in 1980, the modified engine found its way into the 936 Spyder in 1981 and won Le Mans.
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Jörg Muffler[/b]. You’ve heard of perforated, louvered, and chambered mufflers, but none of them comes close to the Jörg muffler. It was developed by Porsche workshop manager Jörg Walter, who was trying to figure out how to bring the Porsche soul to boil. This wise man came up with a sports exhaust system that consisted of a muffler with two long tailpipes. The result: fat sound, great look. Jörg for ever.
Porsche for Dummies – Part 1
At Porsche in Zuffenhausen, everybody knows that the Jorg Muffler isn’t something Grandmother wears around her neck. You’d like to know a thing or two about Porsche?
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AAluminum Can[/b]. True, “Aluminum Can“ is not really flattering for a Porsche. Still, this term became established for the aluminum-bodied Porsche 356 SL that won the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1951, a race already legendary at the time. And it did so with just 40 hp. The aluminum can is of course still around ready to be seen – at the museum.
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American Roadster[/b]. They say it was American GIs stationed in Germany who called for an even lighter, purer Porsche 356 in the early 1950s. They got it – however, only 21 models of the type were built by Gläser. The predecessor of the 1953 Speedster, known as the “American Roadster“, lost around 60 kilograms compared to the regular 356 convertible, for example by omitting the external door handles, hub caps and the soft top including the linkage. The combination of 600 kg and 70 hp were enough to ensure an output of 112 mph. Max Hoffman, Porsche importer to the U.S., picked up the idea and demanded a Speedster model to be produced for the American market, too. And of course he got it.
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BBel Air[/b]. When Porschists referred to the “Bel Air“ among themselves in 1965, they used a code – at that stage nobody was supposed to find out that the open Porsche with the huge bar would be called “Targa“ (derived from the famous Sicilian race “Targa Florio“ – with the word “Targa“ meaning “shield“, all of which coincidentally fits). Naturally, the name “Bel Air“ was borrowed from the posh neighborhood in Los Angeles – possibly due to the erroneous assumption that it meant something like “good (belle) air“. The place, however, was founded by Alphonzo E. Bell in 1923 and that’s where the name comes from…
Bohlmann Bags. It is a very special recognition at Porsche when a technical refinement is named after an employee. Well-known examples include the Fuhrmann engine, the Fuchs rim (an honored supplier), or the Jörg muffler. It seems that a certain Mr. Bohlmann came up with the storage compartments in the trunk of the 924 and the 944. Whether historical sources abstained from passing down the first name because the inventor was employed at the VW plant in Wolfsburg is something that probably only long-serving Porsche (or VW) archivists will be able to answer…
Bonanza Effect. Guys aged between 50 and 60 years today will remember the guitar staccato that blared through the living rooms once a week: Dum-dada-dum-dadadum-dadadum-dadadum-dum…., and then Adam, Joe and giant Hoss with Dad Ben Cartwright trotted off to pacify the Wild West. It’s this theme song and of course the constant galloping of horses that were eponymous for the effect that occurs if the engine bucks when coasting, causing the car to build up. It may also happen if power transmission at the clutch is too abrupt, which is likely to happen to various old 911 models. Dadadum..
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Crashbox[/b]. At the sound of the word, aficionados grimace with pain as if they had just bitten into a lemon with a hole in their tooth: “Crashbox“ sounds like a scrap press in operation. And that’s what it’s like when gears are forced to cooperate, even though they don’t fit at all. Such evil sounds could be heard time and again coming off the gearbox of the early 356 Porsches (years of construction 1950 through 1952) since the transmission was unsynchronized. Until the present day, this poses a challenge to drivers: they need to engage the clutch when throwing in and out of gear. They have to learn what gear changing is and build a relationship with the car. Then it just hurts a little.
Christel von der Post. Austrian driver Gerhard Plattner, aka the king of fuel-efficient long-distance driving on public roads, was not always easy to cope with – co-drivers said he was sometimes hard of hearing. That might also be the reason why he was a big fan of military marches. His never-ending journeys are definitely legendary – especially those at the wheel of “Christel von der Post“ (or post mistress Christel). The name can be traced back to a film from the 1950s about a post mistress. Plattner used this rather unflattering name to refer to his yellow 924 that Porsche placed at his disposal (German post vans have always been yellow) and that he used for his round-the-world trip that he nearly managed to do at a stretch. The gag: The car had a car phone. So you were able to call Plattner during his nearly 40,000 km long trip. He supposedly even picked up the phone on occasion.
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Doctor’s Car[/b]. Just to thwart fertile imaginations right from the start: No, the Doctor’s Car was not a special large-capacity Porsche made for games of any kind. The doctor wouldn’t have approved of playing doctor anyway, since he was an upstanding Austrian citizen. But yes, good-looking Ferry Porsche was indeed a doctor – and as such, his employees gave him a very special 928 S for his 75th birthday. First, it was longer than the others and thus offered more legroom in the back and second, it was moss green. Allegedly, the doctor drove the car himself for a long while. Even today, it is still family-owned.
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“Dreikantschaber“[/b] or the Wedge Blade. That’s another rather unflattering name for a famous Porsche – but at least it’s easier to keep in mind than the official model name 356 B 2000 GS Carrera GT. It’s an aluminum-bodied racing version of the 356 B coupe, presented at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1963 with a 2-liter engine and an aerodynamic aluminum body designed by F.A. Porsche. The tail is pulled further down, the roof ends abruptly – in contrast to the floating rear of the serial 356. The resulting vehicle led to the nickname “Dreikantschaber“ or wedge blade, a tool used by the designers at Porsche to work on their clay models.[size=2]
auteu: Roland Löwisch – issued in “rampclassics”[/size]“10. The Dutch Police used to drive the Porsche 356.
Porsche built 10 of them a full year after production had officially stopped, just for the Dutch.”Toch jammer dat ze deze traditie hebben uitgeband.
Als je dan een bekeuring krijgt weet je in ieder geval dat het naar een goed doel gaat.[quote=”cabrio wim” post=206534]Nummer 7 en de laatste 2 wist ik niet.[/quote]
onlangs heeft er op 2e hands een v-rod te koop gestaan met de porsche motor.denk dat ze hem enkel het eerste jaar hebben uitgebracht waarop er een porsche vermelding stond.
Haha, briljant topic.
Een Porsche tractor, Formule 1 bolide en grill. Ik had het graag meegemaakt
“10. The Dutch Police used to drive the Porsche 356.”
Deze vond ik het mooist. Als ze dat weer zouden invoeren, weet je tenmiste dat de boetes goed besteed worden 😛
Haha, briljant topic.
Een Porsche tractor, Formule 1 bolide en grill. Ik had het graag meegemaakt
“10. The Dutch Police used to drive the Porsche 356.”
Deze vond ik het mooist. Als ze dat weer zouden invoeren, weet je tenmiste dat de boetes goed besteed worden 😛
Haha, briljant topic.
Een Porsche tractor, formule 1 bolide en Porsche grill. Ik had het graag meegemaakt
“The Dutch Police used to drive the Porsche 356.”
Als ze dat nu eens zouden doen, dan weet je tenmiste dat de boetes naar een goed doel gaan 😉
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